Mitigating GTR-Gate Here In the US

"PS9" (PS9) 12/07/2013 at 22:10 • Filed to: GT-R

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Want a non-R35 GT-R? Live in the US? ToughShitBro.jpg. It's not all dingleberries and herpes, though. Here's a few ways you can mitigate not being able to legally own one of Nissan's legendary sports cars.

1) Don't Give a Fuck.

Buy it. Drive it. Some states will let you insure/register it. So be it. If the feds come to crush it, they come to crush it. Happiness is fleeting, so get as much of it now as you can before you're dead and it's too late.

Pros: You get to have a genuine Too-fast-too-furious GT-R.

Cons: You will eventually get to have your dream car taken and crushed with zero compensation. Before that happens though, you'll have to fix it when it breaks. Unlike every other car ever, the Autozones of the world won't be able to assist you.

2) Do The RB Swap

Are you willing to make some compromises in acquiring your dream car? Can you make do without the body and 4WD? Are you handy with car tinkering? If so, have I got the option for you! Just get a Silvia, and replace the original 4 for that legendary RB26DETT. It's bound to be lighter than any GT-R (especially the new one, LOL), and you get mad sleeper points.

Pros: If you live in a state like mine, no one (read; authorities) will care about what's under that hood. There are federal rules prohibiting this as well, but your extremely likely to never get caught. You get to suprise folks that think you're easy prey

Cons: If you don't live in a state like mine, you might be subject to smog testing and inspections, which you might not pass and may reveal your secret. RB26s aren't cheap, and neither are 240s anymore. It's also a big money/time sink of a project. All engine swaps are, but RB26s aren't cheap and neither are 240s anymore, so this even more than usual.

3) Forget About It.

Federal confiscations and crushing? Zero compensation? Shady craigslist deals and inflated pricing? How can any car be worth this non-sense? It's not, and you don't have to put up with it. Just go legit and never look back.

A R34 is like $50k. More with mods. You're already half of the way to the R35 at that point, and it's a vastly superior car, so why stop now? Lesser GTS models have terrible value/dollar in the face of $20k 370zs everywhere. 350zs are going for 4 digits, and will still be faster than any GTS. Save yourself the time and hastle associated with illegal aliens, pick a legit fast Nissan, keep it forever, and never get nervous every time you get pulled over, or a Federal 'flower deliver van' parks itself outside your residence.

Pros: Keep your fast Nissan forever. Fix it anywhere a normal Nissan can be fixed (except for maybe the R35). Get parts for it anywhere you can get parts for any other normal car. Never worry about having to see it get crushed by butthurt feds out to ruin your day

Cons: ...You settled. Your dream involved 4WD, a manual, and RB26DETT power. But you somehow ended up with an auto flappy paddle and a french-derived V6. You settled. You didn't realize your dreams, you deferred them. This fact with be with you upon every press of the flappy paddle, at ever track day, at ever car show you bring your 'baby' to...it will be there. This compromise will gnaw at your soul with the rhythm of a chinese water torture drip, and the consistency of a hungry tick.

Victorious Secret > PS9 12/07/2013 at 22:14

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Move to Canada and buy one in January of next year. Thats January as in 2 months away.

Register in Canada, legally own and operate in two countries. Zero fucks given and it can't be crushed.

Healthcare and R34 GT-Rs. Come at us, bros.

Nighthawkwill7, Hoon Depot Manager > PS9 12/07/2013 at 22:15

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R33's were federalized so there's that.

Leadbull > PS9 12/07/2013 at 22:16

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4) Move to Canada.

Pros: Nice locals.

Cons: Polar bears.

dogisbadob > PS9 12/07/2013 at 22:17

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Isn't the R33 legal over here?

The R30 and R31 are already legal, and the R32 will be legal next year.

RMudkips > Victorious Secret 12/07/2013 at 22:27

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It appears you can import R34s even now in Canada, or maybe it's some wealthy kid from Vancouver playing with his toys before they rust.

syaieya > PS9 12/07/2013 at 22:30

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You forgot an option.

Wait it out.

Anything can become legal here once it becomes an antique. The R32's should be able to clear the 25 year rule in the first few months of production come this time next year.

Sure, it'll be a long wait, especially if you want a late era R34. But if you dream that strong, good on ya.

I know that for my dream cars I'm going to beg und plead my friends outside of the country to help me purchase them at the low of their value and then keep them until I'm ready. One will be eligible in 3 years, the other in 14.

Victorious Secret > RMudkips 12/07/2013 at 22:36

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R34s went legal this year. The GT-R is January, but it wouldn't be shocking to see them out an about near the ports as well now.

The price tags though...makes it exceptionally stupid. 40-50k? Just get the used R35 already.

Satoshi "Zipang" Katsura > dogisbadob 12/07/2013 at 22:41

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Slightly Legal. You can import it, but you still have to go through hundreds, if not thousands of dollars getting it FMVSS/EPA cert.

Ferrero1911 > syaieya 12/07/2013 at 22:46

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This is the option to go for. Just wait it out.

Satoshi "Zipang" Katsura > PS9 12/07/2013 at 22:50

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5) Secede

RMudkips > Victorious Secret 12/07/2013 at 22:51

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Well, Nissan's been developing huge appeal for the GT-R brand, and many enterprising importers know how much some people want their hands on cars they grew up admiring.

TulsaMtnBiker (OkieRising) > PS9 12/08/2013 at 17:11

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I'm pretty sure that that the 6 cylinder in the GTR is derived from the VG30DETT line of engines.

Which have been around since the beginning of time.

PS9 > TulsaMtnBiker (OkieRising) 12/08/2013 at 23:28

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Nope. The VG Was only in production from 1983-2004 , and was replaced by the VQ, which only exists as a product of the Renault-Nissan alliance. The VR is an evolution of the VQ , and as a product of post-Renault acquisition Nissan, is totally not related to the VG.

TulsaMtnBiker (OkieRising) > PS9 12/09/2013 at 12:45

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I'm fairly certain that each successive engine generation was derived from the previous one. Ergo, VG. =P

PS9 > TulsaMtnBiker (OkieRising) 12/09/2013 at 13:25

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'fairly certain' isn't enough to substantiate your argument. The pre-merger nissan was in no condition at all to fund the development of new engines. Renault's help was required, and the VQ would not have happened at all without it.

If you want anyone but you to believe the VR descends from the VG, you will need to provide a source.

TulsaMtnBiker (OkieRising) > PS9 12/09/2013 at 14:07

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You're missing the point. I'm not saying Nissan directly developed the VR from the VG. That would be ridiculous.

What I am saying is the VG created the platform from which the VQ was developed. The VQ created the platform from which the VR was developed. We are looking at the evolution of an engine lineage here. A manufacturer is going to build upon successes of each prior generation.

TulsaMtnBiker (OkieRising) > PS9 12/09/2013 at 14:08

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What is this front end?

PS9 > TulsaMtnBiker (OkieRising) 12/09/2013 at 17:11

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You're missing the point. I'm not saying Nissan directly developed the VR from the VG.

So did someone else write ' I'm pretty sure that that the 6 cylinder in the GTR is derived from the VG30DETT line of engines.' In your post to your account when you weren't looking?

What I am saying is the VG created the platform from which the VQ was developed. The VQ created the platform from which the VR was developed.

This is still not correct. Save for being in cars made by Nissan, the VG is not related to the VQ, at all.

The top is a VG, the Bottom is a VQ. When Nissan went back the the drawing board, they decided to go with an open deck. This required a new block design. Nothing carries over from the two motors. They are completely different, and neither one is a platform for development of the other.

This is not the first time Nissan decided to go with a do over; the VG itself was a successor to the L engine, and it also carried over nothing from it's previous design.

TulsaMtnBiker (OkieRising) > PS9 12/09/2013 at 17:26

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Well I guess you win buddy, because your statement has as much supporting evidence as mine (except you posted a picture; +1 for you). Unless you can find an engineer that was involved in the development of these engines you cannot disprove my statement. That said, I can neither provide irrefutable proof that what I said is correct. However, I strongly doubt that there wasn't a single feature that inspired development or was carried over from each of the previous generation.

TulsaMtnBiker (OkieRising) > TulsaMtnBiker (OkieRising) 12/09/2013 at 17:29

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For those wondering it's the Zele Aero bumper.